[Summit] Summit Digest, Vol 30, Issue 37
Thomas Nosal
thomas.nosal at mail.mcgill.ca
Fri Sep 28 18:39:58 UTC 2007
Sorry for the second post but in addition, we're not talking about teeming masses of college students eagerly awainting their chance to move into summit. Summit is not and will not become a haven for college students.
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1. Re: Overnight Parking (conniechez at aol.com)
2. Re: Overnight Parking (pjaceto at cox.net)
3. Compost (Benjamin Hall)
4. Re: Overnight Parking (John Bazik)
5. Re: Overnight Parking (Elizabeth Grossman)
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:25:18 -0400
From: conniechez at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Summit] Overnight Parking
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Civility is a skill that is a highly prized?rule on this blog. This how people get along in society and manage to communicate instead of going to war.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Nosal <andy at mapcenter.com>
To: summit at sna.providence.ri.us
Sent: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 1:05 pm
Subject: Re: [Summit] Overnight Parking
Paul,
One of your opinions is the only thing I wish to trash. Please do
not take it more personally than necessary.
If you can explain how the city's failure to enforce any law
regarding noise, litter, occupancy limits, or whatever at 105 Fourth
Street is a good reason Mr. and Mrs. Luxmoore should lose
opportunities to rent to nice middle class couples who happen to own
two cars, then I will take everything back.
Respectfully,
Andrew Nosal
At 11:41 AM 9/28/07, you wrote:
>Andrew,
>
>Almost every time I've expressed an opinion you've trashed me by
>name. I don't appreciate it. Free expression does not only apply if
>you agree with the speaker.
>
>Please drive by the rear of 105 Fourth Street late or early and see
>all of the cars jammed in there. If on-street parking were allowed,
>more students and their friends would be there, overflowing onto the street.
>
>Please don't oppose my views by trashing me. Offfer a reasoned and
>civil response.
>
>---- Andrew Nosal <andy at mapcenter.com> wrote:
> > >"free, on-street automobile storage for residents."
> >
> > Outrageous! What will be next? Free on-street driving privileges
> > for everybody?
> >
> > >"So when there is a parking ban, for whatever reason, where do those
> > cars go?"
> >
> > A snowstorm related parking ban only needs to apply to designated
> > streets that carry significant traffic. My street never gets plowed
> > "curb to curb" yet daytime parkers and everyone else has been managing.
> >
> > >"I understand how alternate side of the street parking works, if
> > that's what we're talking about. It's not real convenient."
> >
> > We are comparing the inconvenience of alternate side parking to the
> > inconvenience of no on-street parking at all. Assuming that your
> > parking arrangements are and will continue to be satisfactory to
> > yourself, I can not fathom how the argument is affected by your
> > tender concern for the inconvenience that alternate side parking may
> > inflict upon others.
> >
> > >"Everyone moves their cars at the same time each day. Is that what
> > parking ban opponents want?
> > Is that what we're talking about?"
> >
> > Almost. Moving to the alternate side one night per week would allow
> > for about 25 times more street sweeping than we presently enjoy.
> >
> > >"Limited parking limits occupancy."
> >
> > Expecting the parking ban to achieve what is properly the goal of a
> > law that directly addresses overoccupancy is inexcusably poor public
> > policy. For every prospective over-the-limit roommate foiled by lack
> > of parking, 10 law abiding people are being non-prospectively
> > inconvenienced. The fact that Paul Aceto, not among the 10, is
> > unbothered by such an unwarranted impact on his unoffending neighbors
> > does not make the parking ban a good law.
> >
> >
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:26:58 -0400
From: <pjaceto at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Summit] Overnight Parking
To: summit at sna.providence.ri.us, Andrew Nosal <andy at mapcenter.com>
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The problem isn't Mr. and Mrs. Luxmoore. If you haven't noticed, there are a lot of triple deckers around and they always seem to fill up with college students who don't care about quality of life. After all, they're only here for a year or two before moving on to another apartment.
I take it that you don't live next to one of these properties.
As far as the police are concerned, they get tired of coming to the same house for the same problem. Even when the students finally get the message, they move out and you have to train a whole new bunch all over again. Believe me, I've spent many a night at 3AM talking to the police in my livingroom. They eventually say they have more important crimes to solve. As far as non-police city officials are concerned, I've already mentioned in this forum that the building inspector acknowledges violations next door and absolutely refuses to do anything about them. And don't tell me to call Jackson again.
---- Andrew Nosal <andy at mapcenter.com> wrote:
> Paul,
>
> One of your opinions is the only thing I wish to trash. Please do
> not take it more personally than necessary.
>
> If you can explain how the city's failure to enforce any law
> regarding noise, litter, occupancy limits, or whatever at 105 Fourth
> Street is a good reason Mr. and Mrs. Luxmoore should lose
> opportunities to rent to nice middle class couples who happen to own
> two cars, then I will take everything back.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Andrew Nosal
>
> At 11:41 AM 9/28/07, you wrote:
> >Andrew,
> >
> >Almost every time I've expressed an opinion you've trashed me by
> >name. I don't appreciate it. Free expression does not only apply if
> >you agree with the speaker.
> >
> >Please drive by the rear of 105 Fourth Street late or early and see
> >all of the cars jammed in there. If on-street parking were allowed,
> >more students and their friends would be there, overflowing onto the street.
> >
> >Please don't oppose my views by trashing me. Offfer a reasoned and
> >civil response.
> >
> >---- Andrew Nosal <andy at mapcenter.com> wrote:
> > > >"free, on-street automobile storage for residents."
> > >
> > > Outrageous! What will be next? Free on-street driving privileges
> > > for everybody?
> > >
> > > >"So when there is a parking ban, for whatever reason, where do those
> > > cars go?"
> > >
> > > A snowstorm related parking ban only needs to apply to designated
> > > streets that carry significant traffic. My street never gets plowed
> > > "curb to curb" yet daytime parkers and everyone else has been managing.
> > >
> > > >"I understand how alternate side of the street parking works, if
> > > that's what we're talking about. It's not real convenient."
> > >
> > > We are comparing the inconvenience of alternate side parking to the
> > > inconvenience of no on-street parking at all. Assuming that your
> > > parking arrangements are and will continue to be satisfactory to
> > > yourself, I can not fathom how the argument is affected by your
> > > tender concern for the inconvenience that alternate side parking may
> > > inflict upon others.
> > >
> > > >"Everyone moves their cars at the same time each day. Is that what
> > > parking ban opponents want?
> > > Is that what we're talking about?"
> > >
> > > Almost. Moving to the alternate side one night per week would allow
> > > for about 25 times more street sweeping than we presently enjoy.
> > >
> > > >"Limited parking limits occupancy."
> > >
> > > Expecting the parking ban to achieve what is properly the goal of a
> > > law that directly addresses overoccupancy is inexcusably poor public
> > > policy. For every prospective over-the-limit roommate foiled by lack
> > > of parking, 10 law abiding people are being non-prospectively
> > > inconvenienced. The fact that Paul Aceto, not among the 10, is
> > > unbothered by such an unwarranted impact on his unoffending neighbors
> > > does not make the parking ban a good law.
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Summit mailing list
> > > Summit at sna.providence.ri.us
> > >
> > http://mail.sna.providence.ri.us/mailman/listinfo/summit_sna.providence.ri.us
> > > SNA Website: http://sna.providence.ri.us/
>
>
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:37:34 -0400
From: Benjamin Hall <benhall42676 at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Summit] Compost
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:49:52 -0400
From: jsb at cs.brown.edu (John Bazik)
Subject: Re: [Summit] Overnight Parking
To: Jennifer Luxmoore <jennifer at luxmoore.com>
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On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 12:02:29PM -0400, Jennifer Luxmoore wrote:
> Just curious... all the talk we do here is just talk between us
> right? All of this is actually in the hands of our council person(s)?
Well, I like to think we have some input. My experience, at least
with some issues, tells me we do.
> parking. That's how it works right? We just need to decide if we want
> it, not how to implement it?
I'm sure the city has to work out the logistics, yes. But how it
works affects all of us, and I for one would like to know the details.
For instance, if, as Greg suggests, a parking ban might require
permit holders to park in Hope High parking lot, that will certainly
affect your tenants.
I wonder if, in cities with permits, permit holders receive instructions
about where to park during parking bans, etc. And that also got me
thinking about how many permits are issued. It would be a mistake to
issue more permits than the number of existing "emergency" parking spots.
There are several thousand households in Summit and Mt. Hope, and while
only some percentage will want permits, there does need to be some cap.
How is the cap enforced - first come, first served? Geographically?
By need?
John
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:00:03 -0400
From: Elizabeth Grossman <egrossman1 at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Summit] Overnight Parking
To: conniechez at aol.com
Cc: Summit at sna.providence.ri.us
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It does seem to me a bit quixotic that many of us are concerned about
global warming, and at the same time we are trying to make it easier
to accommodate more, and bigger, cars in our city.
Although on-street overnight parking may seem a solution to some
problems, it might not be the best one if put in the bigger picture.
How about pushing for better mass transit instead? Or does this seem
like too long-term a solution to address immediate concerns? Elizabeth
On Sep 28, 2007, at 1:25 PM, conniechez at aol.com wrote:
> Civility is a skill that is a highly prized rule on this blog. This
> how people get along in society and manage to communicate instead
> of going to war.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Nosal <andy at mapcenter.com>
> To: summit at sna.providence.ri.us
> Sent: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 1:05 pm
> Subject: Re: [Summit] Overnight Parking
>
> Paul,
>
> One of your opinions is the only thing I wish to trash. Please do
> not take it more personally than necessary.
>
> If you can explain how the city's failure to enforce any law
> regarding noise, litter, occupancy limits, or whatever at 105 Fourth
> Street is a good reason Mr. and Mrs. Luxmoore should lose
> opportunities to rent to nice middle class couples who happen to own
> two cars, then I will take everything back.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Andrew Nosal
>
> At 11:41 AM 9/28/07, you wrote:
> >Andrew,
> >
> >Almost every time I've expressed an opinion you've trashed me by
> >name. I don't appreciate it. Free expression does not only apply if
> >you agree with the speaker.
> >
> >Please drive by the rear of 105 Fourth Street late or early and see
> >all of the cars jammed in there. If on-street parking were allowed,
> >more students and their friends would be there, overflowing onto
> the street.
> >
> >Please don't oppose my views by trashing me. Offfer a reasoned and
> >civil response.
> >
> >---- Andrew Nosal <andy at mapcenter.com> wrote:
> > > >"free, on-street automobile storage for residents."
> > >
> > > Outrageous! What will be next? Free on-street driving privileges
> > > for everybody?
> > >
> > > >"So when there is a parking ban, for whatever reason, where
> do those
> > > cars go?"
> > >
> > > A snowstorm related parking ban only needs to apply to designated
> > > streets that carry significant traffic. My street never gets
> plowed
> > > "curb to curb" yet daytime parkers and everyone else has been
> managing.
> > >
> > > >"I understand how alternate side of the street parking works, if
> > > that's what we're talking about. It's not real convenient."
> > >
> > > We are comparing the inconvenience of alternate side parking to
> the
> > > inconvenience of no on-street parking at all. Assuming that your
> > > parking arrangements are and will continue to be satisfactory to
> > > yourself, I can not fathom how the argument is affected by your
> > > tender concern for the inconvenience that alternate side
> parking may
> > > inflict upon others.
> > >
> > > >"Everyone moves their cars at the same time each day. Is
> that what
> > > parking ban opponents want?
> > > Is that what we're talking about?"
> > >
> > > Almost. Moving to the alternate side one night per week would
> allow
> > > for about 25 times more street sweeping than we presently enjoy.
> > >
> > > >"Limited parking limits occupancy."
> > >
> > > Expecting the parking ban to achieve what is properly the goal
> of a
> > > law that directly addresses overoccupancy is inexcusably poor
> public
> > > policy. For every prospective over-the-limit roommate foiled
> by lack
> > > of parking, 10 law abiding people are being non-prospectively
> > > inconvenienced. The fact that Paul Aceto, not among the 10, is
> > > unbothered by such an unwarranted impact on his unoffending
> neighbors
> > > does not make the parking ban a good law.
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > Summit at sna.providence.ri.us
> > >
> > http://mail.sna.providence.ri.us/mailman/listinfo/
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