[Summit] Pooh-pooh'd Triangle

Wed Aug 25 18:22:30 UTC 2010

The Sessions street example looks to be barely 100 x 40 feet; hardly
spelling out a displacement of "large members" of the Jewish Community
Center or of Brown University baseball. And that it resides just next to a
playground is an added benefit for parents.

While I agree with you in principle--that parks should remain parks
(although, where exactly is this so narrowly defined?)--I think these Summit
emails too often suffer from hyperbole. We're not talking about mass
displacements of the population, stealing land, or setting the foundation
for social stratification via institutionalized horticulture. It's just a
garden, and hopefully a more modest one than the 4800 square-foot goliath
that is being proposed.

And what has (again) been left out of this conversation is that the fees
collected for the allotments will help to pay for things. Not a bad trade in
this economy.

Emlyn

It is almost a misnomer to call it a "Community Garden".  The "Community"
> would not get to use the gardens.  The space would be allotted to a few
> individuals and the rest of the community would be fenced out.  It is more
> aptly called an Allottment Plan.  I am not opposed to allottments.  I like
> the idea of urban gardening, but I think such allottments should come out of
> mainly unused space and not displace large members of the community from the
> limited public space that we now have.  Since parks almost always have shade
> trees as well as a lot of users, parks are not a good place to put such
> allottments for gardening.
>

> Charlotte
> ________________________________
> From: Carol Cancro [ccancro at cox.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 5:35 PM
> To: O'Kelly, Charlotte; Dream W; Summit list
> Subject: Poo Triangle and alternate proposed community garden sites
>
> There are a few large trees in Poo Triangle; and given the recent Lippitt
> Park drama, I certainly wouldn't advocate removal of any kind.  In fairness,
> I didn't initially grasp the scope of  this project.  (There's no way you
> could put 48 hundred-square-foot plots at this intersection.)  Can this
> realistically be done in any of the locations proposed to date?
>
> Carol C.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: O'Kelly, Charlotte<mailto:COKELLY at providence.edu>
> To: Carol Cancro<mailto:ccancro at cox.net> ; Dream W<mailto:
> dreammail22 at yahoo.com> ; Summit list<mailto:summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 8:44 AM
> Subject: RE: [Summit] Community gardening
>
> Doesn't it have a large tree in the middle?  I would hate to see the tree
> removed. Maybe I've got the wrong spot in mind.  These spaces are quite
> small.  Who would decide who gets access?  It's a lot of work getting ground
> ready to plant, would that entitle the person to keep the spot year after
> year?  How can we share it out?
> Charlotte
> ________________________________
> From: summit-bounces at sna.providence.ri.us<mailto:
> summit-bounces at sna.providence.ri.us> [summit-bounces at sna.providence.ri.us]
> On Behalf Of Carol Cancro [ccancro at cox.net]
> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 6:42 PM
> To: Dream W; Summit list
> Subject: Re: [Summit] Community gardening
>
> Has anyone considered "Poo Triangle," at the intersection of Eighth Street,
> Lorimer, and Hartshorne?  A community garden would be a vast improvement
> over its current default usage...
>
> Carol C.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dream W<mailto:dreammail22 at yahoo.com>
> To: Summit list<mailto:summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 12:20 PM
> Subject: [Summit] Community gardening
>
> Here is a report from last night's community gardening public meeting, from
> the SNA website.  Please note that the next two public meetings are
> scheduled for September 26 and October 24 at 6pm. Location will be Summit
> Commons (99 Hillside Ave).
>
> >From the SNA site  (
> http://www.sna.providence.ri.us/report-from-the-community-gardening-meeting/):
>
>
> Last night at Summit Commons June Daniel presented her plan to create
> community gardening in Lippitt Park.  Also in attendance were eight
> neighbors, five of which are current SNA board members.  It is unfortunate
> that there was little notice about this meeting, but now that we are in
> contact with June, we will give advanced notice of these meetings as they
> get set.
>
>
> June presented her ideas for the project, including potential locations in
> the park and the basic format, which would be modeled closely after the
> Sessions Street community garden of which she is a current member.  In
> essence, the city would bring water to the location, build a fence, and then
> allow land use rights to the community garden group.  The proposed area of
> the project would be 4,800 square feet.  The group would then lease the 10'
> x 10' plots to individuals who would use them to grow vegetables.  June said
> that the details of this arrangement are still in the works, but likely
> costs could be $100 for the first year and $35 for each additional year
> thereafter.  Members who have a plot in the current year get first right of
> refusal for a plot next year.  She reported that most other community
> gardens in the city have a waiting list.
>
>
> Specific locations discussed included:
>
> 1. Southeast corner of the park
>
> 2. Southwest area where the Open Market is usually held
>
> 3. Northern point where the Farmer's Market is usually held
>
>
> Locations #2 and 3 above would have those markets moving elsewhere inside
> the park.  Everyone agreed that giving the Farmer's Market first location
> choice is essential, as that market brings much enhancement to our
> neighborhood.
>
>
> The neighbors present participated in the discussion, suggesting other
> locations in addition to Lippitt Park for consideration.  The group seemed
> split on whether Lippitt Park was an appropriate location for this type of
> activity, with perhaps a few more than half of those present thinking that
> it was not the best location.
>
>
> Another location discussed was Collier Field, which perhaps has closer
> access to water and is a less-used location.
>
>
> This project is something being pursued by June Daniel.  For its part, SNA
> hopes to gauge neighbors' wants in this area and advocate accordingly.  To
> that end, there will be a survey created, as well as at least two additional
> public meetings.  Access to the survey will be made available on this site,
> on the SNA e-mail list, and in the next SNA newsletter for people without
> Internet access.  June has agreed to not pursue this project in Lippitt Park
> if it becomes clear that the neighborhood is against it.  It is difficult to
> get any accurate reading of neighborhood consensus, and the best methods
> discussed last night were through the survey and public meeting discussion.
>
>
> So if you have an interest in this issue, please participate in one of
> those methods, if possible.  If you are unable, please do contact someone
> from SNA (sna at sna.providence.ri.us) to make your voice heard.  Of course,
> SNA is not the only way to weigh in here; the Parks Department and Mayor's
> Office should also be willing to hear your voice on this issue.
>
>
> The additional public meetings are set for September 26 and October 24 at
> 6pm. Location will be Summit Commons (99 Hillside Ave).
>
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> There is still a few days to sign up for *SUMMIT FOR SALE!*  On Saturday,
> September 25 (rain date: October 2) from 9:00 a.m. - 2:00 pm many of your
> neighbors and local businesses will hold individual yard sales.  It's a $10
> fee to sign up; those 10 bucks go to advertising the sale (posters in local
> businesses, ads in newspapers and signs to identify you as part of the
> sale!).  We'll also put your location on a map that we will distribute to
> over 4,000 households in our community newsletter early September!
>
> To sign up, you can pop your $10 check (payable to Summit Neighborhood
> Association) or cash along with your name, address, email address and
> phone in the mail slot at 54 Lauriston St.(right across from Citizens Bank,
> behind the Coiffurium hair salon.)  If you have any questions at all, don't
> hesitate to contact us!  (emily.spitzman at gmail.com, 401-575-8150)
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> Should be a fun community event- you can make some cash and hang with your
> neighbors!
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