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>
> Just a gentle suggestion - can't you just ignore all but the
> current (top) post? (Or that and? the one to which it is a reply -
> that can be useful in understanding the interchange?)
>

Liberty,

Just a gentle reminder: It's not a matter of "just ignoring" all but the
top post; the listserv format pushes everything into a long, unbroken
column of text, mashing together each and every reply associated with just
that ONE post. Multiply this by sometimes 5 or 6 messages in a single
digest and one begins to appreciate why trimming--as well as n on-topic
subject line--is not just polite but necessary.

Please, let's not question already long-established conventions of
netiquette with a thousand individual preferences; these exist for a
reason. Instead of creating work for others, please--pretty please--put in
the work yourselves _before_ you hit the fire-and-forget button. If you
want the full thread, simply use the link to the website provided atop
every email digest.

Here, for example, are the untrimmed leftovers of just a single post:

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> Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 19:12:29 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Hope for Health <libertyliterary at yahoo.com>
> To: Craig Borges <craigborges at yahoo.com>, Tara AOL <Tlpinsky at aol.com>
> Cc: "summit at sna.providence.ri.us" <summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
> Subject: Re: [Summit] voter ID
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> There are a few very middle class assumptions being made here.
> Just getting the info on how to get an ID can be difficult for
> many.  Guess what - not everyone has access to internet and
> would know to go to the SOS.ri.gov site.  Even if people did
> find out the requirements, getting to the appropriate place
> to get the ID, with photo could mean taking time off from
> a job - impossible for many.  Getting to the polls is not
> comparable - there is a polling place within easy walking
> distance in all neighborhoods, and the lengthy voting hours
> avoid time conflicts.
>
> Finally, the multiple John Smiths at a single address over
> the years doesn't make sense as a problem.  The election
> workers would have a record of that John Smith having
> voted, and a signature.
>
> By the way, I have been wanting to get my mother's death
> certificate for years, but she died in NYC and the process
> is so complicated that even I, quite well educated and
> literate, have found it too much of a burden to do it.
> Dealing with this stuff is not a walk in the park.
>
> Blessings,
>
> Liberty G
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> --- On Sun, 10/7/12, Tara AOL <Tlpinsky at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Tara AOL <Tlpinsky at aol.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Summit] voter ID
>> To: "Craig Borges" <craigborges at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: "summit at sna.providence.ri.us" <summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
>> Date: Sunday, October 7, 2012, 8:08 PM
>> The Homeless can use their city/town
>> board of canvassers as an address.? Any people
>> receiving social services are ask to file out a voter
>> form.? Most of your concerns have already need
>> addresses by the GA.
>>
>> Tara Pinsky
>>
>> On Oct 7, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Craig Borges <craigborges at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The voter ID law discriminates against those simply
>> unable to get an ID. Homeless, mentally ill, chronic jobless
>> and even some elderly . Everyone should have a right to
>> vote.
>>> Craig Borges
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> ? 1. Re: Summit Digest, Vol 91, Issue 24
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>> Bulley)
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>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 14:10:30 -0400
>>>> From: Gloria L Johnson <glolynjo66 at cox.net>
>>>> To: Daren Bulley <dlbulley at gmail.com>,
>> Craig Borges
>>>> ???<craigborges at yahoo.com>
>>>> Cc: "summit at sna.providence.ri.us"
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>>>> Maybe this is a silly question, but how could you
>> go from job to job without any ID?? Did the employers
>> not have to complete an I9 form?
>>>>
>>>> Gloria L Johnson? ? ? ? ?
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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>>>> Daren Bulley <dlbulley at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just to put my 2 cents in,
>>>>>
>>>>> It was twenty years -plus- ago, but I remember
>> finishing college and moving
>>>>> from town to town and from job to job without
>> an ID. I didn't get a drivers
>>>>> licence until I was 25, so those years between
>> 20 and 25 I didn't have a
>>>>> reason to have an ID. I didn't have bills
>> refelcting my current address's
>>>>> or any of the documents on the list.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would have been a pain to go get an ID just
>> so I could vote. I probably
>>>>> would have skipped voting with that small but
>> additional barrier.
>>>>> So many people feel that their vote doesn't
>> really matter anyway that I
>>>>> can't imagine putting any sort of additional
>> obstacle.
>>>>>
>>>>> Weather or not they are designed to restrict,
>> delay, or stop the voting of
>>>>> minorities and young people, as Mike Turzai of
>> Pensylvania has informed us
>>>>> all that they are, I still feel that there must
>> be a better solution.
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>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Craig Borges
>> <craigborges at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There are people lacking every form of ID -
>> the homeless for example. They
>>>>>> should have the right to vote, too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>>> On Oct 7, 2012, at 12:17 PM, summit-request at sna.providence.ri.us
>> wrote:
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>>>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Re: voter ID law (Elizabeth
>> Cameron)
>>>>>>> 2. Re: voter ID law (Tara AOL)
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 12:13:39 -0400
>>>>>>> From: Elizabeth Cameron <elizabethcameron at cox.net>
>>>>>>> To: summit at sna.providence.ri.us
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Summit] voter ID law
>>>>>>> Message-ID: <5071AA33.50604 at cox.net>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I second Gloria's comments. I, too,
>> have known Harold Metts for a long
>>>>>>> time and know he's a good and honest
>> man, but it goes beyond that. The
>>>>>>> end to any discussion or disagreement
>> now seems to be to call someone a
>>>>>>> racist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Further, anyone who thinks voter fraud
>> is some Republican or
>>>>>>> already-elected politician conspiracy
>> is quite naive. And why should we
>>>>>>> not believe Anastasia? If long-time
>> politicians are protecting their
>>>>>>> turfs, then wouldn't you want the
>> newcomers to know that all the votes
>>>>>>> were fair? Certainly, many local
>> elections in RI hinge on just a handful
>>>>>>> of votes or less.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I love the idea of photo id at the
>> polls. Not only would everyone have a
>>>>>>> chance to get a photo, with no excuses
>> (though if they can't get to the
>>>>>>> old photo id places, how do they get to
>> the polls?), we would also have
>>>>>>> a photo of the person perpetrating
>> fraud
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/6/2012 1:27 PM, Gloria L Johnson
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I have known Mr. Metts for almost
>> 30 years and I cannot tell how
>>>>>> offensive it is to call him a
>> racist.???I am astounded by that statement!
>>>>>> It also amazes me that just because you
>> disagree with someone that you
>>>>>> resort to name calling.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And let me get this straight, so if
>> we are Democrats we all have to
>>>>>> believe and agree on the same
>> thing????And if not, risk being labeled some
>>>>>> offensive thing?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 12:17:10 -0400
>>>>>>> From: Tara AOL <Tlpinsky at aol.com>
>>>>>>> To: Hope for Health <libertyliterary at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: "Summit at sna.providence.ri.us"
>> <Summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Summit] voter ID law
>>>>>>> Message-ID: <593B393D-4AB4-43DA-B823-CB42D0266236 at aol.com>
>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;
>> charset="cp932"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This questions about obtaining a voter
>> ID is to simply go to the
>>>>>> SOS.ri.gov <http://sos.ri.gov/> site.? To
>> make it easier for all I have
>>>>>> copied it below.? So it's fairly easy
>> to obtain one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The voter ID lists are only purged
>> every 10 years, even if I provided a
>>>>>> stack of return to sender letters from the
>> PO, nothing happens for 10 years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Smith resides at 123 Main St but
>> how many other people have lived
>>>>>> at 123 Main St in the past ten years.?
>> I have a friend who knows a woman
>>>>>> who moved to Mass years ago but still
>> crosses into RI to vote in our
>>>>>> elections.? There is fraud, it may not
>> be in the East Side but I can tell
>>>>>> you in happens in other parts of the
>> city.? Ever heard of poll checkers
>>>>>> for candidates.? I'm not accusing any
>> party or candidate but they know who
>>>>>> has and hasn't voted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> Tara Pinsky
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You will not need a Voter ID card if
>> you already have a valid and
>>>>>> current Photo ID. If you need a Voter ID,
>> we will provide you with a free
>>>>>> one. You must provide one of these types of
>> current and valid IDs:.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Employee ID card;
>>>>>>> ID card provided by a commercial
>> establishment;
>>>>>>> Credit or debit card;
>>>>>>> Military ID card;
>>>>>>> Student ID card;
>>>>>>> Health club ID card;
>>>>>>> Insurance plan ID card;
>>>>>>> Public housing ID card;
>>>>>>> If you don?t have one of those types of
>> current and valid IDs, you must
>>>>>> bring one of the following documents. It
>> must include your name and be
>>>>>> dated since November 2, 2010, unless the
>> document is intended to be of a
>>>>>> permanent nature such as a pardon or
>> discharge:
>>>>>>> Utility bill;
>>>>>>> Bank statement;
>>>>>>> Government paycheck;
>>>>>>> Document issued by a government
>> agency;
>>>>>>> Official elections document issued by a
>> government agency, dated for the
>>>>>> election in which the registered voter is
>> providing it as proof of identity;
>>>>>>> Voter notification issued by a
>> governmental agency;
>>>>>>> Public housing ID card issued by a
>> governmental agency;
>>>>>>> Lease or rental statement or agreement
>> issued by a governmental agency;
>>>>>>> Student ID card issued by a
>> governmental institution/agency or
>>>>>> non-governmental institution/agency;
>>>>>>> Tuition statement or bill issued by a
>> governmental agency;
>>>>>>> Insurance plan card or drug discount
>> card issued by a government agency;
>>>>>>> Discharge certificates, pardons, or
>> other official documents issued to
>>>>>> the registered voter by a governmental
>> agency in connection with the
>>>>>> resolution of a criminal case, indictment,
>> sentence or other matter;
>>>>>>> Public transit authority senior citizen
>> and disabled discount ID card
>>>>>> issued by a governmental agency;
>>>>>>> ID documents issued by governmental
>> disability agencies;
>>>>>>> ID documents issued by homeless
>> shelters and other temporary or
>>>>>> transitional facilities;
>>>>>>> Drug prescription issued by a
>> government doctor or other governmental
>>>>>> health care provider;
>>>>>>> Property tax statement issued by a
>> governmental agency;
>>>>>>> Vehicle registration issued by a
>> governmental agency; or
>>>>>>> Vehicle certificate of ownership issued
>> by a governmental agency
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 7, 2012, at 9:41 AM, Hope for
>> Health <libertyliterary at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The problem is - what
>> identification do you present in order to get an
>>>>>> ID card?
>>>>>>>> (This is the major reason why I
>> oppose the Voter ID legislation).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I suspect that Greg's purple thumb
>> plan might be the best of the
>>>>>> options!
>>>>>>>> At least it would keep folks from
>> voting twice.? (Along with the fact
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> only one person can vote as John
>> Smith at such and such an address)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Liberty G
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --- On Sun, 10/7/12, Kathy Rourke
>> <kathy_rourke at verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Kathy Rourke <kathy_rourke at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Summit] voter ID law
>>>>>>>> To: jsb at cs.brown.edu,
>> Summit at sna.providence.ri.us
>>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, October 7, 2012, 8:43
>> AM
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am with you 100% John- and I love
>> your idea of getting your picture
>>>>>> ID at polling places!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kathy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/06/12, John Bazik<jsb at cs.brown.edu>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh, I think it's voter suppression.
>> The evidence for in-person voter
>>>>>>>> fraud is always anecdotal. But I
>> understand that something like 11%
>>>>>>>> of registered voters lack a
>> government-issued picture id.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As I wrote to Gordon, who
>> co-sponsored the Voter Id bill, I'd feel a lot
>>>>>>>> better about the law if picture ids
>> were to be issued at all polling
>>>>>>>> places and a marketing campaign
>> encouraged voting: "Vote and get a
>>>>>>>> free id!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>
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Ridiculous.

Emlyn
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