[Summit] Rochambeau, Blackstone lot

Andrew Nosal andy at mapcenter.com
Sun Nov 9 20:02:42 UTC 2014 

The largest stretch of open and wooded space in the city, From Swan Point to Butler campus and Blackstone Park, plus the boulevard median are all across the street, safely preserved.   If Rhode Island needs another dozen big houses for rich people, those 6000 foot lots are a much less tragic place for them than another expansion of the sprawly suburbs.

That said, I do hope the new buildings are not a row of blank garage-front eyesores that seem to be all the fashion.  One big, reasonably handsome apartment block would be better than that.

On Nov 9, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Monique wrote:

> Would Brown, or other educational institutions be interested...Making it a conservatory/ nature area.
> 
> I think of this vast amount of land, when    I drive by the Arnold Arboretum, Boston, several times a week.
> 
> Building up this area would be  so tragic.
> 
> M Doherty
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 9, 2014, at 1:00 PM, summit-request at sna.providence.ri.us wrote:
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>>  1. plumber (Karen Klingon)
>>  2. Major subdivision of historic Rochambeau estate pending:
>>     please sign petition to Providence Preservation Society
>>     (Ellen Darling)
>>  3. Re: Major subdivision of historic Rochambeau estate pending:
>>     please sign petition to Providence Preservation Society
>>     (Jeffrey Cavanaugh)
>>  4. Re: Major subdivision of historic Rochambeau estate pending:
>>     please sign petition to Providence Preservation Society
>>     (Emlyn Addison)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 13:33:59 -0500
>> From: Karen Klingon <kklingon at earthlink.net>
>> To: summit at sna.providence.ri.us
>> Subject: [Summit] plumber
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>> We too use Mike Fiore and recommend him without hesitation to anyone looking for a skilled, reliable, personable, and reasonably priced plumber.
>> 
>> Karen K.
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 16:03:50 -0500
>> From: Ellen Darling <ellendarling at gmail.com>
>> To: Summit Neighborhood <Summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
>> Subject: [Summit] Major subdivision of historic Rochambeau estate
>>   pending: please sign petition to Providence Preservation Society
>> Message-ID:
>>   <CAECj-yhMwfvFnOGhmLRgSRf0kthy3hs6MBJrDe9a7ELOdsPtnA at mail.gmail.com>
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>> Dear Neighbors,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> As some of you are aware, the historic Bridgam estate on the corner of
>> Rochamebau and Blackstone will be subdivided into 12 lots for real estate
>> development unless we can engage the Providence Preservation Society on
>> this issue.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The currently proposed subdivision would add 10 single-family lots, each
>> between 6000 and 6500 square feet, along Rochambeau Avenue and Blackstone
>> Boulevard. A new ordinance, *instituted specifically for this neighborhood* to
>> keep development consistent with the current infrastructure, is to be
>> enacted next month increasing the minimum lot size to 7500 square feet. By
>> filing their application now, the owners effectively circumvent the new
>> minimum lot size requirement.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *Further, the integrity of the stone wall encircling the property, which
>> bears the date 1849, is at jeopardy. The subdivision, as currently drawn,
>> allows for this wall to be breached at multiple points, or entirely
>> demolished, to accommodate the new lots. *
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *Our concerns about insensitive development are not unfounded*: in February
>> 2014 the owners presented a previous proposal to the City Plan Commission
>> for this site, *which featured a four-story, high-density 110 unit
>> residential condominium complex with multi-level parking for 132 cars*.
>> While the City Plan Commission did not support the proposal, we are
>> strongly concerned that the kind of development the owners find to be
>> appropriate is not in the neighborhood?s best interest.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> We have been informed by the Executive Director of the Providence
>> Preservation Society (PPS) that if there are enough signatures on the
>> attached petition, he will bring this issue to the Wednesday PPS Board &
>> Trustee Meeting.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Please support our neighborhood and sign the petition to PPS by clicking on
>> this link:
>> *https://www.change.org/p/brent-runyon-preserve-our-community-support-our-neighborhood?recruiter=176272164&utm_campaign=mailto_link&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition*
>> <https://www.change.org/p/brent-runyon-preserve-our-community-support-our-neighborhood?recruiter=176272164&utm_campaign=mailto_link&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Also, please consider attending this *Monday?s community meeting to address
>> this issue at 6:30pm at the Central Church on 296 Angell St.* You can sign
>> a pen and paper petition if you prefer there.
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you for your support!
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> 
>> Ellen Darling, on behalf of the Blackstone Neighborhood Organization
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:33:14 -0500
>> From: Jeffrey Cavanaugh <jeff at cavanaugh.org>
>> To: Ellen Darling <ellendarling at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Summit Neighborhood <Summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
>> Subject: Re: [Summit] Major subdivision of historic Rochambeau estate
>>   pending: please sign petition to Providence Preservation Society
>> Message-ID:
>>   <CAEd3KU3vOBnWYPOEdJJ4bF-7L6mZLgyAiHSDffkA+Ux=CQJOHg at mail.gmail.com>
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>> http://providenceri.com/efile/2157
>> 
>> Shows the plat map that includes these parcels.  There are existing lots in
>> the adjacent blocks as small as 5000 sq. feet, and many quite a bit
>> larter.  I would say, from a quick eyeballing of the map, that 7,500 sq.
>> feet seems more typical and 6000-6500 sq. ft. would be on the small side.
>> 
>> Is it 10 new parcels or 12?  The e-mail is a bit confusing.
>> 
>> What would this petition do?  Try to squash any subdivision? Or try to
>> negotiate lotsize and/or architectural standards so that the subdivision
>> leads to the best possible outcome?  Once such item may be to preserve most
>> of the wall, less driveway cuts, for example.
>> 
>> I ask because I don't see the owner's being denied some sort of
>> subdivision.  It is a huge estate for an urban area, and It's not
>> surprising that no one will buy it as is, the taxes must be insane.  Unless
>> some community group wants to buy it, it will probably be developed
>> eventually.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Ellen Darling <ellendarling at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear Neighbors,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As some of you are aware, the historic Bridgam estate on the corner of
>>> Rochamebau and Blackstone will be subdivided into 12 lots for real estate
>>> development unless we can engage the Providence Preservation Society on
>>> this issue.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The currently proposed subdivision would add 10 single-family lots, each
>>> between 6000 and 6500 square feet, along Rochambeau Avenue and Blackstone
>>> Boulevard. A new ordinance, *instituted specifically for this
>>> neighborhood* to keep development consistent with the current
>>> infrastructure, is to be enacted next month increasing the minimum lot size
>>> to 7500 square feet. By filing their application now, the owners
>>> effectively circumvent the new minimum lot size requirement.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *Further, the integrity of the stone wall encircling the property, which
>>> bears the date 1849, is at jeopardy. The subdivision, as currently drawn,
>>> allows for this wall to be breached at multiple points, or entirely
>>> demolished, to accommodate the new lots. *
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *Our concerns about insensitive development are not unfounded*: in
>>> February 2014 the owners presented a previous proposal to the City Plan
>>> Commission for this site, *which featured a four-story, high-density 110
>>> unit residential condominium complex with multi-level parking for 132 cars*.
>>> While the City Plan Commission did not support the proposal, we are
>>> strongly concerned that the kind of development the owners find to be
>>> appropriate is not in the neighborhood?s best interest.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> We have been informed by the Executive Director of the Providence
>>> Preservation Society (PPS) that if there are enough signatures on the
>>> attached petition, he will bring this issue to the Wednesday PPS Board &
>>> Trustee Meeting.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Please support our neighborhood and sign the petition to PPS by clicking
>>> on this link:
>>> *https://www.change.org/p/brent-runyon-preserve-our-community-support-our-neighborhood?recruiter=176272164&utm_campaign=mailto_link&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition*
>>> <https://www.change.org/p/brent-runyon-preserve-our-community-support-our-neighborhood?recruiter=176272164&utm_campaign=mailto_link&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Also, please consider attending this *Monday?s community meeting to
>>> address this issue at 6:30pm at the Central Church on 296 Angell St.* You
>>> can sign a pen and paper petition if you prefer there.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thank you for your support!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ellen Darling, on behalf of the Blackstone Neighborhood Organization
>>> 
>>> 
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:53:08 -0500
>> From: Emlyn Addison <noisyblocks at gmail.com>
>> To: Jeffrey Cavanaugh <jeff at cavanaugh.org>
>> Cc: summit at sna.providence.ri.us
>> Subject: Re: [Summit] Major subdivision of historic Rochambeau estate
>>   pending: please sign petition to Providence Preservation Society
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>> Agreed.
>> On Nov 8, 2014 7:33 PM, "Jeffrey Cavanaugh" <jeff at cavanaugh.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> http://providenceri.com/efile/2157
>>> 
>>> Shows the plat map that includes these parcels.  There are existing lots
>>> in the adjacent blocks as small as 5000 sq. feet, and many quite a bit
>>> larter.  I would say, from a quick eyeballing of the map, that 7,500 sq.
>>> feet seems more typical and 6000-6500 sq. ft. would be on the small side.
>>> 
>>> Is it 10 new parcels or 12?  The e-mail is a bit confusing.
>>> 
>>> What would this petition do?  Try to squash any subdivision? Or try to
>>> negotiate lotsize and/or architectural standards so that the subdivision
>>> leads to the best possible outcome?  Once such item may be to preserve most
>>> of the wall, less driveway cuts, for example.
>>> 
>>> I ask because I don't see the owner's being denied some sort of
>>> subdivision.  It is a huge estate for an urban area, and It's not
>>> surprising that no one will buy it as is, the taxes must be insane.  Unless
>>> some community group wants to buy it, it will probably be developed
>>> eventually.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Ellen Darling <ellendarling at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Dear Neighbors,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> As some of you are aware, the historic Bridgam estate on the corner of
>>>> Rochamebau and Blackstone will be subdivided into 12 lots for real estate
>>>> development unless we can engage the Providence Preservation Society on
>>>> this issue.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The currently proposed subdivision would add 10 single-family lots, each
>>>> between 6000 and 6500 square feet, along Rochambeau Avenue and Blackstone
>>>> Boulevard. A new ordinance, *instituted specifically for this
>>>> neighborhood* to keep development consistent with the current
>>>> infrastructure, is to be enacted next month increasing the minimum lot size
>>>> to 7500 square feet. By filing their application now, the owners
>>>> effectively circumvent the new minimum lot size requirement.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> *Further, the integrity of the stone wall encircling the property, which
>>>> bears the date 1849, is at jeopardy. The subdivision, as currently drawn,
>>>> allows for this wall to be breached at multiple points, or entirely
>>>> demolished, to accommodate the new lots. *
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> *Our concerns about insensitive development are not unfounded*: in
>>>> February 2014 the owners presented a previous proposal to the City Plan
>>>> Commission for this site, *which featured a four-story, high-density 110
>>>> unit residential condominium complex with multi-level parking for 132 cars*.
>>>> While the City Plan Commission did not support the proposal, we are
>>>> strongly concerned that the kind of development the owners find to be
>>>> appropriate is not in the neighborhood?s best interest.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> We have been informed by the Executive Director of the Providence
>>>> Preservation Society (PPS) that if there are enough signatures on the
>>>> attached petition, he will bring this issue to the Wednesday PPS Board &
>>>> Trustee Meeting.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Please support our neighborhood and sign the petition to PPS by clicking
>>>> on this link:
>>>> *https://www.change.org/p/brent-runyon-preserve-our-community-support-our-neighborhood?recruiter=176272164&utm_campaign=mailto_link&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition*
>>>> <https://www.change.org/p/brent-runyon-preserve-our-community-support-our-neighborhood?recruiter=176272164&utm_campaign=mailto_link&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Also, please consider attending this *Monday?s community meeting to
>>>> address this issue at 6:30pm at the Central Church on 296 Angell St.* You
>>>> can sign a pen and paper petition if you prefer there.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you for your support!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Ellen Darling, on behalf of the Blackstone Neighborhood Organization
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> Summit mailing list
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>>>> SNA Website: http://sna.providence.ri.us/
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